Nov. 2, 2026
Personal Awakening Is a Collective Responsibility
Is personal awakening a collective responsibility? In this episode of New World Rising, Randi welcomes Indra Rinzler, who explains Vedic astrology and how it differs from other astrological traditions. Together, they explore global change, interconnectedness, and the wisdom of Indra’s Net. Discover the 4 Doorways to Conscious Living and consider how personal enlightenment, spiritual growth, and greater awareness can help us navigate a changing world.
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Hi, welcome to New World Rising, where we explore the
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extraordinary shifts and changes happening right now on the planet
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and what it means for your life. I'm your host,
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Randi Botnick. And today we begin with the question, what
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if the way forward on this planet isn't just about
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changing what's happening around us? What if it begins with
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changing what's happening within us? So in my channeling, I
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hear a lot about this lately. The guides keep telling
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me that our spiritual growth and awakening aren't just personal journeys.
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They're an important part of the big shift that's taking
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place here on the planet. And as we deepen our
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understanding about ourselves, our connection to one another, our earth
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and even the cosmos, we begin to move beyond the
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fear and the heaviness that we've been living in, and
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we open ourselves to a different way of being. So today,
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I'm delighted to welcome our guest Indra Rinsler to explore
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why personal awakening is a collective responsibility, what that really means,
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and and how we can become part of the positive
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changes unfolding in our world. Indra Risler.
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Hi, Indra.
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Hi, Mandy.
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Thanks for having me.
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You're welcome. So glad you're here. And I want to
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just introduce you by saying that Indra is an author,
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Vedic astrologer, and spiritual guide who has spent more than
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50 years exploring the question of who we really are,
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beneath our identity stories and conditioning. His work helps people
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wake up to who they really are, not who they
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think they are, and learn to live more fully in
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the present moment. Drawing on Vedic astrology, the Enneagram, spiritual practice,
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and decades of lived experience, Indra offers practical ways to
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observe our patterns, release what no longer serves us and
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become more conscious participants in our own lives. And he's
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also the author of Indra's Net, A Seeker's Guide to
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the Human Experience, which is a book for anyone interested
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in awakening, self-discovery, interconnectedness, and the deeper meaning of being human.
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So welcome. I'm really interested in talking about this idea
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of consciousness and awakening and especially through the lens of
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Vedic astrology. And so here's my really brief understanding about
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the difference between Vedic astrology and what I would call
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like regular astrology.
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Western astrology.
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Western astrology, thank you. Is that Vedic focuses heavily on
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the moon, the mind, karma and dharma, and it views...
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the astrological chart of a person as a roadmap of
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past life, karma and destiny, but that Western astrology focuses
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on the sun, individual identity and personal growth. Is that
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about right in your mind?
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That's you know, the, the, the, if you ask a
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hundred astrologers, you're probably get a hundred different answers. So yeah,
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Those are good answers, you know.
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Tell me yours. Tell me yours. You know, is it
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too big of a question even?
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Well, no, it's not too big of a question. I
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think that most astrologers think of it as either focusing
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on mundane questions or spiritual questions. And while you can
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easily work, and there are people that work with spiritual
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questions with Western astrology. The fact is, and you can
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do mundane with Vedic, the fact is that generally Vedic
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is a snapshot that is more spiritually oriented because India
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is more spiritually oriented. Vedic astrology is the astrology of India.
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And Western astrology is a bit more mundane focused. And
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I like to say that who we are at church,
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who we are on vacation, who we are with our parents,
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who we are with our partners and with our kids
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and family are different aspects of ourselves, different outfits, different beverages,
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a different vocabulary. different goals. And so the astrology charts
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are just snapshots of these different aspects of ourselves.
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Got it. Got it. Thank you. Thank you. And I
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want to talk about the bigger picture here too, because
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I know that you can use astrology for, like you said,
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you know, individualistic, but also for the worldview as well.
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Like I've heard that countries and you know different parts
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of the planet have their own astrology is that accurate
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well yeah.
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They they if you can figure out a beginning time
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then you can cast a chart for it and and
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there are many astrologers that that uh work with the
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um galactic conditions the the the stories of of uh
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our country there's a uh and it's not my specialty
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but there's a uh, is it Uranus 84 years or
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something that that's coming around that's important for the United
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States and, and, uh, maybe it's a conjunct. And, and
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so people make a, a, a, um, I'm going to
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say a big deal. They, they, they, that's the kind
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of astrology that they are interested in, um, uh, promoting
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and advocating. I myself, uh, that all kind of gives
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me a headache. And what I have done is it
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took me, I started with astrology when I started on
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the spiritual path, like 1971, so 55 years ago. And
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it took me about 35 years to get my own
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viewpoint and the way that I want to do astrology.
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And I'm mostly interested in finding the particular strengths and
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weaknesses of particular planets for people as a method to
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highlight where we have to work. The strong planets are
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skills and abilities. There's no good or bad in any
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of it, okay? Nobody is doomed. Uh, but we, but
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we do have challenges. So the strong planets are skills
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and abilities and the weak planets are obsessions and compulsions. They,
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they are, are, uh, where we compensate in our behavior
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because we feel, um, weak mercury. We have trouble communicating. We, we,
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we ramble, uh, we bite our tongue. We don't say
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what we feel. And, uh, this is, this is a
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challenge that the personality, uh, expresses and, uh, By merely
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understanding this position, I feel that the healing already starts. That,
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you know, you're in a relationship and just tell me
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what it is you're not liking because I can deal
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with it when you tell me what it is. If
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you don't tell me what it is, then I can't
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move forward. So we start healing as soon as we
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know what it is. Maybe not at 15, but by 40s.
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you know, easily that this knowledge, it gives us an
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incredible boost in our understanding. And then our releasing starts,
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we start releasing these stories.
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You know, I've found that to be true in my
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own healing practice. I've got to say, because two things,
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I have found that when I speak the words of
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what I'm seeing for a person, just like what you're saying,
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that I can identify the problem or the core issue
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that it already starts changing the energy around it. And
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I've also noticed that most of my clients come to
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me by their mid-40s, mid-40s, early 50s, because that is
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the time when people have enough maturity across the board
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to really look into themselves from an objective place where
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they can separate themselves out enough from family and that
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they're able to really look into themselves and choose to
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make the changes that are still uncomfortable for them. And
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so it's interesting that you talk about this kind of healing,
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these things of what's uncomfortable versus what are your strengths,
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as being part of a way to kind of wake
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up the consciousness of the person. And because I think
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of that as well, like people often talk to me
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about my work as being very spiritual. And it's a
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funny thing because I don't think of it as spiritual.
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as much as energetic. But then here we are talking
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about healing and self-realization as being a very definite part
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of spirituality and consciousness. What do you think of that?
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Well, I think the key here is that I find
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that I put my thumb right smack dab in the
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middle of the most painful and attached places for people.
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And they welcome it because there is no judgment there.
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And when there's judgment, then I think you're in the us-them,
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you're in the mundane, you're in the physical plane. But
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when you get into it as a, you know, here,
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my arm is around you, let's look at it from
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a distance, you know, let's look at it objectively from
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a distance together. then you're getting into the spiritual realm
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because it doesn't feel personal. It's personal to them, but
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it isn't personal in the sense that they feel objectified
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and they feel threatened and they feel... Right? I'm sure
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that's the way that you do it.
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Oh, yeah, absolutely. I love the way you're saying that because...
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I never really thought about it quite that way, that
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it's spiritual when we're in it together, when it becomes
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a joint mission or it becomes sort of an issue
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of humanity itself rather than pointedly at one person. I
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love that. And for sure, there's no judgment because all
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of that is actually true, that there's nobody who doesn't
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have wounding and fear, and there's no reason to judge it.
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There's just the desire to make it obvious so that
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we can move through it.
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Yes, I ended up, you know, 1,600 clients within, I
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don't know, 500 readings. I ended up starting my readings
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to say that the reading is essence to essence, from
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higher self to higher self. We're going to talk about personality.
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because that's where the problems are. That's the stickiness, but
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we're not talking from personality or to personality that there
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is no good or bad. There is no right or wrong.
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If we could have done better, we would have done better.
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So we get the judgment out of there and we
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get the objectivity in there. And there's no, there's no
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need for shame. There's no need for, uh, you know,
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for people to take it, uh, uh, There's no shame
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that we're projecting onto anything. There's no projections. There's just
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the ability to be able to tune into where the
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problems are because as soon as we said, as soon
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as we start navigating through these problems, the healing starts.
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Right. And I've loved that about astrology when I can
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see myself from a perspective of the.
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The powers that are working through me at any given time,
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the planets and what they're bringing to me and how
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they're interacting in my chart has made a lot of
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sense to me regarding, oh, I see my personality or
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I see my challenges here very much. And the thing
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that I've liked about Vedic astrology specifically is the way
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it's different. I've seen it as it can show... Like, oh,
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at 19 years old, specifically, something happened in your life.
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What was it that happened that made a major change
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for you? And that's really interesting, too. And you begin
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to see yourself, or I have begun to see myself,
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as being much more part of the cosmos and interconnected
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to all of those, you know, powers and magnetisms that
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than I would ever have thought of because, of course,
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as human beings, we're kind of stuck in this physical shell,
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and we feel so disconnected. And these practices, these astrology practices,
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have shown me, like, I can see the grid of
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how everything is so tied into everything else.
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Well, yeah. Yes, wonderfully said. I think that, of course, again,
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this is available to all astrologers, but all astrologers don't
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do this, and I don't do it this way. And
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I have difficulties because a lot of astrology is disempowering,
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that I know and you don't know, and you're stuck because...
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Pluto square, this is that, this is this, and you're
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stuck and there's no, there's no way out. They're not
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even really explained as a, they're sort of told rather
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than explained. And I like to explain, I don't want
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to tell anybody anything, but, but I see this and
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then it's like, well, what does it mean? Well, here's
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what it means. And I think what you're referring to
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is that as you get bigger, as you get more
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galactic in your thinking, then you don't take it so
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personally as that I'm stuck as a being and I'm
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stuck in the personality and that's who I am. But
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you see it as a galactic plan that some charts
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are challenging. I can't, you know, I have to be
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honest with people to say it's a challenging chart. You know,
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there are challenges in most everybody's chart. But I mean,
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there's some charts that are just downright challenging. But the
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idea is, well, why? The why is because, whether you
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want to call it karma or past history or circumstance,
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is that we get some particular conditions that we have trouble...
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Let's go back to a weak mercury that we have
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trouble communicating. So we get a mercury that's weak. And
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maybe this is our challenge for this life. And it's
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where we need to learn. And I say... Maybe that's
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because last time we made fun of people who were
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like that. So what, so what is, what does spirit do?
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It puts us in this situation. It puts us in that,
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in that prison garb, you know, puts us into that
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challenging position so that we can learn and see the
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other side. And, and I don't, uh, you know, I
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kind of believe in, in reincarnation and that, there is a,
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you know, if it happened, you know, we take this
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position so we get the karma of this other position,
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but it may not be true. It doesn't have to
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be based on that, but it is a nice way to,
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it's a nice bow to put on these situations because
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it becomes more objective rather than subjective. Right, right.
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Oh yeah, and I absolutely believe in reincarnation and this
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karmic wheel and you know, just exactly what you were saying.
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And I, I also believe that, um, you know, we
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don't often pick very, very easy lives because in very,
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